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jecris27 (3:09:47 PM): 3
jecris27 (3:09:48 PM): 2
jecris27 (3:09:50 PM): 1
mini4many (3:10:01 PM): and the music and THAT voice begins
sonnetsrus123 (3:10:24 PM): I love the theme music
jecris27 (3:10:28 PM): yes
sonnetsrus123 (3:10:52 PM): I have the sheet music if anyone is interested--it's pretty advanced, though
mini4many (3:10:59 PM): when i hear the opening music one word comes to mind....
mini4many (3:11:04 PM): Hopeful
hrhkitty1 (3:11:37 PM): I bring my OLAH cd to work on the weekends... played it today
esmith591 (3:11:38 PM): I think this ep is one of the best in terms of score and cinematography
sonnetsrus123 (3:12:06 PM): really? I've only watched it twice--ever
jecris27 (3:12:17 PM): fuhgeddaboutit!
marypeppe (3:12:26 PM): i haven´t seen it so much either...
esmith591 (3:12:29 PM): Yes - IMO - diector - Thomas J. Wright did a brilliant job
jecris27 (3:12:31 PM): freat music, yes
jecris27 (3:12:37 PM): great even
mini4many (3:12:37 PM): i think Catherine was being rather ignorant to agree to that meeting place and time
sonnetsrus123 (3:12:38 PM): it does "set a mood" well
sonnetsrus123 (3:12:57 PM): is she still wearing high heels???
esmith591 (3:13:08 PM): doesn't she always?
jecris27 (3:13:11 PM): lol
mini4many (3:13:26 PM): yes.....good weapons acourding to Issiac
esmith591 (3:13:29 PM): I'm surprised she got through the series without breaking an ankle
marypeppe (3:13:55 PM): lol
hrhkitty1 (3:13:56 PM): you'd think she'd break an ankle wouldn't you?
hrhkitty1 (3:14:04 PM): GNTA Elaine
jecris27 (3:14:05 PM): i was never anywhere in new york that was this deserted
esmith591 (3:14:14 PM): lucky you
jecris27 (3:14:18 PM): lol
mini4many (3:14:22 PM): but i bet you didn't go into that part of town
hrhkitty1 (3:14:26 PM): I have to look down to type so I miss things
mini4many (3:14:31 PM): and not alone either
jecris27 (3:14:38 PM): probably not
esmith591 (3:14:53 PM): there are places like that - especially at night
jecris27 (3:15:03 PM): merrit buttrick - he played kirk's son
hrhkitty1 (3:15:10 PM): I think every city has them
esmith591 (3:15:12 PM): oh, right!
jecris27 (3:15:19 PM): star trek 3?
jecris27 (3:15:22 PM): 2?
esmith591 (3:15:46 PM): love the staging of this -- the circling
sonnetsrus123 (3:15:46 PM): is he wearing a ferret on his shirt??
hrhkitty1 (3:15:48 PM): Wrath of Kahn was 2
hrhkitty1 (3:15:58 PM): who??
sonnetsrus123 (3:16:05 PM): blond guy
esmith591 (3:16:07 PM): slimy
esmith591 (3:16:18 PM): 'feel my way around'
sonnetsrus123 (3:16:38 PM): definitely some type of animal tail on his sleeve
esmith591 (3:16:53 PM): racoon
esmith591 (3:16:57 PM): where's arthur?!
hrhkitty1 (3:16:59 PM): racoon maybe?
jecris27 (3:17:01 PM): lol
sonnetsrus123 (3:17:02 PM): ah, yes, daniel boon
esmith591 (3:17:19 PM): oh - we don't know arthur yet
esmith591 (3:17:45 PM): how very film noir this next bit is
esmith591 (3:17:56 PM): wet streets, glistening lights
sonnetsrus123 (3:18:04 PM): did everybody know that tv shows almost always spray water on streets at night for filming? Check the next time you're watching anything
sonnetsrus123 (3:18:17 PM): I've never see a night shot of streets w/o water
marypeppe (3:18:37 PM): and why is that?
sonnetsrus123 (3:18:42 PM): reflects light
esmith591 (3:19:26 PM): and great lighting with the slats
marypeppe (3:19:28 PM): oh, i didn´t know... good to know
esmith591 (3:20:07 PM): and she's out like a light
jecris27 (3:20:25 PM): i hate this scene
mini4many (3:20:37 PM): This part always gets me all steamed up
vickychandler87 (3:20:42 PM): Me too
marypeppe (3:20:58 PM): me too, hate it
jecris27 (3:20:58 PM): you go, girl!
timeflies3000 (3:21:08 PM): I think I'm way ahead..
mini4many (3:21:08 PM): Vincent chained up
esmith591 (3:21:20 PM): girls tormenting Vincent
hrhkitty1 (3:21:26 PM): bitches
esmith591 (3:21:29 PM): Crime scene tape
vickychandler87 (3:21:36 PM): Sure!
marypeppe (3:22:03 PM): i just can´t see them laghing at him
marypeppe (3:22:21 PM): I want to hit them in the head
timeflies3000 (3:22:38 PM): I love seeing V's persective.
jecris27 (3:23:03 PM): different Elly
sonnetsrus123 (3:23:06 PM): isn't this the weird mayim byalik moment?
esmith591 (3:23:08 PM): is this supposed to be the same girl though?
sonnetsrus123 (3:23:12 PM): really bad acting!!
timeflies3000 (3:23:15 PM): Yep.
vickychandler87 (3:23:21 PM): You can feel the tention between Father and Catherine at this poinmt...
timeflies3000 (3:23:29 PM): Yes, as in it's supposed to be the same girl.
esmith591 (3:23:32 PM): yes - great Father / Catherine scene
esmith591 (3:23:41 PM): happy music in the tunnels
marypeppe (3:23:41 PM): i agree
esmith591 (3:23:43 PM): lol
vickychandler87 (3:23:44 PM): I guess yes, the same girl
vickychandler87 (3:24:00 PM): well, at least if ACS had been ep 2
jecris27 (3:24:18 PM): i agree, Vicky
marypeppe (3:24:46 PM): the look on Catherine's friend when she says "he was with me" is priceless
timeflies3000 (3:24:56 PM): I love the way her lip trembles.
marypeppe (3:25:03 PM): catherines face i mean
vickychandler87 (3:25:18 PM): Yeah, she knew she had it coming if she said that
vickychandler87 (3:25:26 PM): I like Howie
jecris27 (3:25:37 PM): tragic mistake..
jecris27 (3:25:42 PM): :-s
vickychandler87 (3:25:49 PM): Hah!
esmith591 (3:25:52 PM): Father -- sigh
mini4many (3:25:54 PM): you have to admit....Linda is a great actress
esmith591 (3:25:57 PM): so stubborn and misguided
jecris27 (3:26:07 PM): yes
timeflies3000 (3:26:08 PM): GREAT actress
marypeppe (3:26:09 PM): Howie is sweet
esmith591 (3:26:12 PM): absolutely
vickychandler87 (3:26:12 PM): True
sonnetsrus123 (3:26:17 PM): seems like they'd send out a troop of tunnel dwellers to find him!
esmith591 (3:26:22 PM): You'd think!
esmith591 (3:26:30 PM): but they don't have a troop yet
esmith591 (3:26:44 PM): just those sewing women
jecris27 (3:26:48 PM): lol
sonnetsrus123 (3:26:48 PM): ha
vickychandler87 (3:26:49 PM): Not yet? They never have one! Lol!
timeflies3000 (3:26:50 PM): lol
vickychandler87 (3:27:04 PM): I mean, all those times Vincent alone had to take care of things...
sobanme (3:27:05 PM): "mister"
marypeppe (3:27:05 PM): I like how he calls Vincent "Mister"
esmith591 (3:27:12 PM): well they have a lot of people to dig in Shades of Grey
vickychandler87 (3:27:13 PM): Me too, Mariana
timeflies3000 (3:27:21 PM): No doubt!
mini4many (3:27:33 PM): not beast, animal, or any other crude name.....but Mister
timeflies3000 (3:27:34 PM): Where are those people?
vickychandler87 (3:27:36 PM): Well yes
esmith591 (3:27:40 PM): Howie always makes me think of "Of Mice and Men"
jecris27 (3:27:51 PM): grrrrr!
sonnetsrus123 (3:27:57 PM): the lighting on the make-up is really good here
esmith591 (3:27:57 PM): ouch!
esmith591 (3:27:59 PM): crowbar!
vickychandler87 (3:28:13 PM): Poor baby!
jecris27 (3:28:14 PM): go, Howie!
vickychandler87 (3:28:54 PM): Am I ahead'
esmith591 (3:29:00 PM): Vincent just broke free
mini4many (3:29:08 PM): love that ROAR
vickychandler87 (3:29:15 PM): Ok, thanks, I have isaac
esmith591 (3:29:21 PM): Springsteen poster! Never saw that before
sonnetsrus123 (3:29:33 PM): what did they use to make the roar? anyone know?
esmith591 (3:29:41 PM): good question
sonnetsrus123 (3:29:46 PM): kind of sounds like a bear
esmith591 (3:30:05 PM): and so funny that Koslow's next series was called "Roar"
jecris27 (3:30:11 PM): lol
sonnetsrus123 (3:30:16 PM): really? had no idea
hrhkitty1 (3:30:17 PM): He roars... I thought that's what Margaret said.
vickychandler87 (3:30:18 PM): Lol
esmith591 (3:30:36 PM): Taxis are all wrong
vickychandler87 (3:30:38 PM): I recorded a lyon last year, sounded pretty similar
esmith591 (3:30:46 PM): NY yellow cabs don't have names of cab companies on them
timeflies3000 (3:30:47 PM): Why E?
esmith591 (3:31:11 PM): see above
sonnetsrus123 (3:31:14 PM): they phased out the last of the yellow cabs about 5 years ago didn't they?
esmith591 (3:31:20 PM): no
esmith591 (3:31:25 PM): there are still yellow cagbs
esmith591 (3:31:27 PM): cabs
esmith591 (3:31:32 PM): but they are run by the city
esmith591 (3:31:37 PM): They just say NY Taxi on them
esmith591 (3:31:48 PM): and have a rate list
vickychandler87 (3:32:09 PM): Do you have the security guard?
esmith591 (3:32:18 PM): no - isaac and C getting into taxi
esmith591 (3:32:21 PM): now security guard
mini4many (3:32:24 PM): taxi
vickychandler87 (3:32:25 PM): Thanks
esmith591 (3:32:48 PM): "Little Jersey Red"
esmith591 (3:32:53 PM): another 'Red' without red hair
esmith591 (3:33:34 PM): don't you love how that cloak makes him invisible?
sonnetsrus123 (3:33:39 PM): This ep makes me think C & V could have walked about the city a lot together w/o V getting too much attention
jecris27 (3:33:40 PM): is it supposed to be so dark the guy can't see vincent's face?
esmith591 (3:33:51 PM): I guess
jecris27 (3:34:36 PM): call out to her!
mini4many (3:34:37 PM): so close
esmith591 (3:34:41 PM): roar!
vickychandler87 (3:34:51 PM): Oh, it breaks my heart he senses Catherine near!
marypeppe (3:35:02 PM): mine too
mini4many (3:35:30 PM): i agree Elaine....if V had only roared
hrhkitty1 (3:35:30 PM): 'course then the episode would be over had he called..... darn script writers ;)
marypeppe (3:36:09 PM): lol
jecris27 (3:36:30 PM): grrrrr!
mini4many (3:36:38 PM): Howie saved him once again
vickychandler87 (3:36:45 PM): Yea!
esmith591 (3:36:45 PM): You wonder why they don't leave Howie home
esmith591 (3:37:08 PM): Lucy's in the crowd
mini4many (3:37:08 PM): isn't he the brother of one of them?
esmith591 (3:37:12 PM): yes
esmith591 (3:37:14 PM): but still
vickychandler87 (3:37:24 PM): He's hurt... and he's alone...
joaniegirl75 (3:37:42 PM): Where are we?
vickychandler87 (3:37:42 PM): Yes, that's what he says
esmith591 (3:37:48 PM): not going to ask any questions -- and then he does
esmith591 (3:37:58 PM): And all she comes up with is his name
esmith591 (3:38:09 PM): like - okay, now we can find him
jecris27 (3:38:12 PM): lol
lamartus (3:38:20 PM): Joan, Lucy is arriving home
jecris27 (3:38:25 PM): VINCENT!
jecris27 (3:38:32 PM): WHERE ARE YOU?
esmith591 (3:38:33 PM): That would be a step in the right direction
mini4many (3:38:50 PM): must have been a bad night.....she is home early for a street walker
esmith591 (3:38:50 PM): Lucy's good
esmith591 (3:39:01 PM): what time is it?
esmith591 (3:39:12 PM): in the show
mini4many (3:40:05 PM): don't know....but figure around 3 am
esmith591 (3:40:05 PM): that sounds right
vickychandler87 (3:40:24 PM): Vincent is so very helpless...
hrhkitty1 (3:40:45 PM): well he apparently arrives before dawn.
marypeppe (3:41:01 PM): it is wierd to see him so helpless
hrhkitty1 (3:41:16 PM): and it's always dark..not even the grey of dawn
jecris27 (3:41:43 PM): he told you!
esmith591 (3:41:45 PM): Lucy has tunnel gloves
jecris27 (3:41:48 PM): quit screaming!
vickychandler87 (3:41:53 PM): Oh my, it's so sad...
mini4many (3:42:02 PM): good eyes Elaine.....
joaniegirl75 (3:42:12 PM): Yeah, but she has a good heart and goes out for him.
timeflies3000 (3:42:16 PM): I kind of like her reaction. Seems real
esmith591 (3:42:20 PM): yes
vickychandler87 (3:42:27 PM): Yes
jecris27 (3:42:53 PM): yes
vickychandler87 (3:42:58 PM): In a way (though not really), lijke Catherine's...
esmith591 (3:43:09 PM): good point, Vicky
sobanme (3:43:17 PM): a lot of good, humble people in this episode. Howie, the security guard, Lucy.
hrhkitty1 (3:43:29 PM): I'm not sure I'd scream.... stare certainly. well unless I saw the canines... but LAucy didn't
mini4many (3:43:50 PM): true....things could have been much worse for V if into for them
joaniegirl75 (3:43:59 PM): She just told him to get out.
marypeppe (3:44:16 PM): yes.. and that shows Father thatnot everyone above is a risk for Vincent
esmith591 (3:44:23 PM): "Can you tell me your name" -- that's like meeting Catherine too
hrhkitty1 (3:44:23 PM): Well that's a good thing... since life has that balance..even NYC
esmith591 (3:44:38 PM): scary children on the playground
vickychandler87 (3:44:43 PM): It is, Elaine
vickychandler87 (3:44:59 PM): And Isaac wouln't have mind, either
joaniegirl75 (3:45:30 PM): no, he wouldn't.
hrhkitty1 (3:45:33 PM): I think he does that to help defuse the situation.. knowing your /his name makes it more personal
timeflies3000 (3:45:40 PM): feel it...
vickychandler87 (3:45:46 PM): He's afraid...
esmith591 (3:45:48 PM): yes
vickychandler87 (3:45:57 PM): Yes, she does
mini4many (3:46:54 PM): Lucy should have kept going with V......might have made it to the Belmont faster
esmith591 (3:47:09 PM): she's trying to hold them off
timeflies3000 (3:47:15 PM): Now she's thinking, 'Where's my lortab??'
hrhkitty1 (3:47:18 PM): but she was running interference
mini4many (3:47:36 PM): delay tactics
jecris27 (3:49:46 PM): this icky feeling is the same as 3s
jecris27 (3:49:56 PM): danger all around
jecris27 (3:49:57 PM): i hate it
esmith591 (3:50:01 PM): oh, no - 3S much worse
esmith591 (3:50:03 PM): worse than worst
vickychandler87 (3:50:04 PM): Good point!
jecris27 (3:50:17 PM): yes, 3s worse
esmith591 (3:50:19 PM): but scary - you're right
sobanme (3:50:26 PM): the difference is the lack of hope.
jecris27 (3:50:33 PM): gabriel so evil
esmith591 (3:50:40 PM): these actors better than the Chinese gang at projecting searching menace
sonnetsrus123 (3:50:42 PM): Hollow Men has this type of feel
joaniegirl75 (3:50:48 PM): Yeah, the lack of hope.
jecris27 (3:50:48 PM): 3s had some hope - for wee jacob
jecris27 (3:50:58 PM): i still hated it
marypeppe (3:51:11 PM): you´re righ sonnets
vickychandler87 (3:51:15 PM): Not the same kind of hope, I guess.
jecris27 (3:51:30 PM): probably not
esmith591 (3:51:35 PM): why are bad guys always such bad shots?
jecris27 (3:51:39 PM): lol
vickychandler87 (3:51:44 PM): Lol!
hrhkitty1 (3:51:55 PM): it's in the script
marypeppe (3:51:57 PM): poor howie
mini4many (3:52:19 PM): add to all his roll down a set of stairs.....makes me want to cry.....ah heck....
esmith591 (3:52:33 PM): and Catherine and Isaac don't think to take a shotgun?
sobanme (3:52:41 PM): good bye Lucy - I would have liked to see her again in the series.
esmith591 (3:52:48 PM): yes - she was really good
mini4many (3:52:55 PM): C might have her gun with her
timeflies3000 (3:52:58 PM): i'd have a gun!
joaniegirl75 (3:52:58 PM): Me too, I liked her.
sobanme (3:53:19 PM): so many interesting people ignored by fic...
mini4many (3:53:27 PM): someone wrote a fanfic with Lucy in it
sonnetsrus123 (3:53:30 PM): i think she's in a parini comic book that I have
esmith591 (3:53:31 PM): I've seen Lucy in something
joaniegirl75 (3:53:35 PM): I've read a few about Lucy.
sonnetsrus123 (3:53:43 PM): called "Night od Beauty"
sobanme (3:53:48 PM): okay, come non detto, we say in Italian.
vickychandler87 (3:53:50 PM): I've read one
esmith591 (3:54:10 PM): one down
jecris27 (3:54:42 PM): it's not nice to take pleasure in another's death, but i can't help it
sobanme (3:54:57 PM): why doesn't he feel that she's close by?
esmith591 (3:55:06 PM): too injured?
esmith591 (3:55:08 PM): too scared?
timeflies3000 (3:55:13 PM): Maybe he's thinking on ly of himself
timeflies3000 (3:55:16 PM): yes, too injured
mini4many (3:55:16 PM): we just have to remember that guy was not an innocent
marypeppe (3:55:22 PM): maybe both
vickychandler87 (3:55:24 PM): I agree Elaine
vickychandler87 (3:55:31 PM): Oh, when he says his name!
vickychandler87 (3:55:38 PM): her name...
jecris27 (3:55:42 PM): it doesn't look so heavy...
esmith591 (3:55:45 PM): lol
sobanme (3:55:57 PM): look how WARM look those tunnels!
marypeppe (3:55:57 PM): this is the only scene in this chapter that I love
hrhkitty1 (3:56:06 PM): He was in a state that 'prolly only allowed focused thought of getting home
marypeppe (3:56:13 PM): they look like home
jecris27 (3:56:28 PM): continuity problem there
mini4many (3:56:30 PM): i felt so sorry for Howie.....and proud....gave his life to save another
jecris27 (3:56:40 PM): with how far open the door was
jecris27 (3:56:46 PM): yes, howie's a hero
esmith591 (3:56:46 PM): hmm - didn
esmith591 (3:56:48 PM): t' notice
sonnetsrus123 (3:57:10 PM): shouldn't he have shut that?
jecris27 (3:57:18 PM): i love the tone in his voice here
jecris27 (3:57:22 PM): Catherine?
esmith591 (3:57:35 PM): Thanks Isaac - take care of the bodies - gotta go
jecris27 (3:57:36 PM): yes, the door should be closed, but maybe it's too heavy?
vickychandler87 (3:57:38 PM): Oh yes... like "is it real?"
jecris27 (3:57:41 PM): lol
vickychandler87 (3:57:44 PM): Is it really you?
hrhkitty1 (3:57:46 PM): lol Elaine
timeflies3000 (3:57:51 PM): That's why they never used Isaac again...
mini4many (3:57:53 PM): "I was never giving up."
timeflies3000 (3:58:02 PM): Had to go into hiding..seen the bodies...seen Vincent...
esmith591 (3:58:03 PM): and the Citizen Kane shot coming now
sobanme (3:58:04 PM): close the door!!
lamartus (3:58:19 PM): =D>
jecris27 (3:58:29 PM): excellent episode, but so hard to watch...
mini4many (3:58:30 PM): =D>
vickychandler87 (3:58:35 PM): Lol! Ok, Father, tell the others to close the door, I'm tyred...
vickychandler87 (3:58:36 PM): lol!
hrhkitty1 (3:58:41 PM): lol
mini4many (3:58:45 PM): i agree....i don't watch this episode often
vickychandler87 (3:58:48 PM): That's true Elaine
esmith591 (3:58:53 PM): yes - but so well done
marypeppe (3:58:57 PM): me neither
hrhkitty1 (3:58:59 PM): you'd think SOMEONE would remember
sonnetsrus123 (3:59:02 PM): I don'tknow--still have mixed feelings about it--the story isn;t very deep
esmith591 (3:59:09 PM): no -
esmith591 (3:59:18 PM): it's the production values that impress me
sonnetsrus123 (3:59:18 PM): but, I guess, that wasn't really the point
marypeppe (3:59:21 PM): I would´ve like if Catherini have saved him
jecris27 (3:59:29 PM): me too
esmith591 (3:59:30 PM): that and all the supporting actors were so good
mini4many (3:59:47 PM): C has never saved him......
timeflies3000 (3:59:48 PM): The actors were really good.
joaniegirl75 (3:59:53 PM): i've read a story about Howie where he survived and was aparlyzed.
timeflies3000 (4:00:03 PM): Well, in a way she did...SOG
vickychandler87 (4:00:06 PM): I don't think Catherine saving him was the poing here
vickychandler87 (4:00:12 PM): point
esmith591 (4:00:22 PM): No - but we should count
esmith591 (4:00:32 PM): how many times he saved her -- how many times she saved him
sonnetsrus123 (4:00:42 PM): nor iron bars a cage??
timeflies3000 (4:00:48 PM): there ya go
esmith591 (4:00:49 PM): yes
jecris27 (4:00:51 PM): we could keep a running thread of counts over on batbland...
mini4many (4:00:53 PM): it seems only fair that C should have gotten to save V at least once.....after all the times he saved her
esmith591 (4:00:55 PM): and Shades of grey
esmith591 (4:01:01 PM): good idea, Je
timeflies3000 (4:01:10 PM): that's what I said...SOG. yep
esmith591 (4:01:14 PM): and the Alchemist
esmith591 (4:01:19 PM): sort of
sonnetsrus123 (4:01:23 PM): one of my favs
jecris27 (4:01:27 PM): yes
sonnetsrus123 (4:01:28 PM): the Alchemist
jecris27 (4:01:34 PM): that counts
vickychandler87 (4:01:34 PM): Yes
esmith591 (4:01:44 PM): and I always thought it was her calling to him in To Reign in Hell that gave him the strength to kill Erlik
mini4many (4:01:48 PM): but she couldn't have saved him in NIBAC if it hadn't been for the Professor helping her out and taking her to V
esmith591 (4:02:01 PM): but she made the professor do it
esmith591 (4:02:04 PM): and she found the professor
timeflies3000 (4:02:13 PM): She's been the turning point...
marypeppe (4:02:14 PM): yes, she did
timeflies3000 (4:02:17 PM): and the pursuer...
sonnetsrus123 (4:02:24 PM): she saes Father twice, right?
sobanme (4:02:33 PM): does saving Father count <g>?
esmith591 (4:02:34 PM): when, gilda?
mini4many (4:02:37 PM): yes
vickychandler87 (4:02:37 PM): Yes, saving him does not mean hitting all the bad guys, so to speak...
esmith591 (4:02:40 PM): oh - saves
esmith591 (4:02:43 PM): thought you said sees
vickychandler87 (4:02:49 PM): At least, it doesn't seem that to me
sonnetsrus123 (4:02:54 PM): Orpheus and at end of 2nd season
esmith591 (4:03:06 PM): yes - and arguably Shades of Grey
esmith591 (4:03:11 PM): although it was really Vincent sh ewas after
esmith591 (4:03:13 PM): so to speak
vickychandler87 (4:03:29 PM): Yes
sobanme (4:03:41 PM): I was thinking of SoO
hrhkitty1 (4:03:48 PM): well she'd want to save Father since he was pivotal to Below
mini4many (4:04:05 PM): ok, so C wasn't the sole person responsible for saving V.....but she was always instrumental
sonnetsrus123 (4:04:11 PM): is Masques next week?
vickychandler87 (4:04:22 PM): And she might have married Elliot if things wouldn't had come to what they did at the end
sonnetsrus123 (4:04:23 PM): or are we skipping that, as we did it last month
sonnetsrus123 (4:04:26 PM): ?
esmith591 (4:04:34 PM): I think something else comes first in production order, right?
jecris27 (4:04:39 PM): Beast Within next week
vickychandler87 (4:04:49 PM): Beast within is next
vickychandler87 (4:04:52 PM): in production order
marypeppe (4:04:58 PM): good one
mini4many (4:05:04 PM): The Beast Within is next in production order
sonnetsrus123 (4:05:08 PM): oh, Ok--didn;t know there was switch there
sonnetsrus123 (4:05:17 PM): another one I don't watch much
marypeppe (4:05:35 PM): it has a beautiful final scene
sonnetsrus123 (4:05:53 PM): my tape was so blurry I couldn't really tell what they were saying in the last scene
esmith591 (4:05:59 PM): oh, no!
esmith591 (4:06:04 PM): it's beautiful, gilda
sonnetsrus123 (4:06:13 PM): about ice cream, right?
esmith591 (4:06:16 PM): yes
timeflies3000 (4:06:17 PM): I always forward it to that
marypeppe (4:06:24 PM): yes, icecream and sunlight
vickychandler87 (4:06:31 PM): Yes.
vickychandler87 (4:06:44 PM): But I love it when Vincent takes her to the ER
sonnetsrus123 (4:06:53 PM): "ice cream"--that's all I could catch--will look forward to seeing it next week in full.
vickychandler87 (4:06:56 PM): I don't know why...
esmith591 (4:07:12 PM): you just like it when he carries her in his arms
marypeppe (4:07:28 PM): maybe because you can feel his pain seen her hurt Vicky
vickychandler87 (4:07:32 PM): Oh yes... If you die, so do I...
jecris27 (4:07:52 PM): lol
timeflies3000 (4:07:54 PM): I'm for any scene where they are touching!
mini4many (4:07:54 PM): it is when V says to C as he lays her down at Emergancy Enterance.....Don't die Catherine, if you die, so do I.
esmith591 (4:07:59 PM): well - not to bring up that sore subject -- bu tthat was a lie wasn't it
timeflies3000 (4:08:09 PM): LOL - yes Elaine
sonnetsrus123 (4:08:14 PM): Oh, I had totally forgotten that line!
timeflies3000 (4:08:20 PM): But there was a new circumstance
esmith591 (4:08:24 PM): true
joaniegirl75 (4:08:25 PM): According to 3s
vickychandler87 (4:08:33 PM): I'll pretend I didn't here that... lol!
marypeppe (4:08:34 PM): i think if it wasn´t for JAcob, we would've die
vickychandler87 (4:08:36 PM): just kidding
jecris27 (4:08:40 PM): no bond in 3s
timeflies3000 (4:08:47 PM): For a long time I thought I HAD died!
timeflies3000 (4:09:04 PM): Still sore 20 years later...
marypeppe (4:09:07 PM): he would've die i mean
esmith591 (4:09:09 PM): yes - that was the point of Jacob
joaniegirl75 (4:09:26 PM): I don't care if there was a bond or not. I htink he would have died from grief and loneliness.
esmith591 (4:09:41 PM): Yes - but he had to take care of Jacob
vickychandler87 (4:09:41 PM): Me too, Joan
marypeppe (4:09:43 PM): and in some way, he died a little with her
mini4many (4:10:20 PM): V knew that he couldn't die......the bond with Jacob......without V being near Jacob almost died......
joaniegirl75 (4:10:44 PM): There'
joaniegirl75 (4:10:50 PM): s a story about that too.
joaniegirl75 (4:11:57 PM): But what about the bond that Jacob would have had with Catherine. That had to be pretty strong also.
esmith591 (4:12:05 PM): You'd think
hrhkitty1 (4:12:06 PM): Has there been any whispers about season two being released?
joaniegirl75 (4:12:21 PM): not that i"ve jeard.
jecris27 (4:12:37 PM): i haven't heard anything either
mini4many (4:12:51 PM): Catherine wasn't as gifted empathically.......
mini4many (4:13:17 PM): thier connection might not have been strong
vickychandler87 (4:13:44 PM): Isn't that unfair to Catherine?
joaniegirl75 (4:13:47 PM): Before I go. I always figured that he needed both of them.
vickychandler87 (4:14:06 PM): Yes, that's what I mean, Joan
mini4many (4:14:20 PM): Jacob still had his connection to Vincent.......the baby needed at least one connection....
vickychandler87 (4:15:10 PM): Stil, I just can't accept it
sobanme (4:15:26 PM): question about No Way Down:
vickychandler87 (4:15:35 PM): I mean it's heart.
sobanme (4:15:50 PM): it is mentioned as THE episode where Catherine is careless and V is hurt for this
vickychandler87 (4:15:52 PM): Yes'
hrhkitty1 (4:15:54 PM): I wish there WAS news...cause I have quite a few episodes missing...
sobanme (4:16:03 PM): do you think it is so?
mini4many (4:16:17 PM): it would have been good all around if Jacob was able to have the connection to both parents growing up.....but at least he still had one to Vincent or he wouldn't have survived
esmith591 (4:16:33 PM): I think she could have taken police backup
jecris27 (4:16:55 PM): it does seem poor judgement to meet someone alone at that hour in the part of town
jecris27 (4:17:00 PM): even the cabbie wouldn't stay!
hrhkitty1 (4:17:12 PM): that ought to have been a clue
esmith591 (4:17:34 PM): But I've been in situations where I knew it was stupid but it seemed like I had to be there
mini4many (4:17:45 PM): it would have been good if she had at least taken one of the male ADA's with her
timeflies3000 (4:17:45 PM): Catherine gave up alot for her job.
sobanme (4:17:50 PM): poor judgement okay, but I don't think she was relying on V's help.
esmith591 (4:17:50 PM): She wanted to prove herself
hrhkitty1 (4:17:53 PM): haven't we all?
esmith591 (4:17:57 PM): Wanted to get the statement
jecris27 (4:18:08 PM): no, she wasn't expecting V to be there
esmith591 (4:18:09 PM): No, I don't think she expected him to show up
sobanme (4:18:15 PM): exactly.
timeflies3000 (4:18:15 PM): I agree - don't think she was relying on V so hard this early
mini4many (4:18:24 PM): she felt always that she MUST face her fear and conquer it.....
sobanme (4:18:24 PM): and never did anything of the like after that.
vickychandler87 (4:18:37 PM): Me neither. And by the way, didn't he go in to rescue the other guy when the bomb set?
sobanme (4:18:38 PM): I suppose, just to avoid what happened in this episode
mini4many (4:18:46 PM): that was part of her healing after her attack
esmith591 (4:19:10 PM): yes -- and I never felt like she expected him to save her, ever.
sobanme (4:19:12 PM): yes, that is an interesting point. She is always testing herself.
sobanme (4:19:18 PM): all along the series.
vickychandler87 (4:19:19 PM): Me neither, Elaine
timeflies3000 (4:19:44 PM): ME either Elaine
esmith591 (4:19:48 PM): In the next ep -- he tells her "go no further with this" and she says it would destroy everything he thinks about her
sobanme (4:19:49 PM): I agree, Elaine. That's why the legend of the damsel in distress annoys me so much.
mini4many (4:19:52 PM): even the time Vincent asked her to stop on her investigation of Mitch.....she would not
hrhkitty1 (4:20:01 PM): that was something he CHOSE to impose on himself
hrhkitty1 (4:20:29 PM): oe Devin.
mini4many (4:20:57 PM): she wouldn't listen to many with Stephen Bass....he warned her
hrhkitty1 (4:20:58 PM): she didn't want him to continue even if it meant he may leave again
vickychandler87 (4:21:12 PM): Oh Sobi, that's so true! You know,
esmith591 (4:21:16 PM): Yes -- and the only truly damsel in distress moment -- in To Reign in Hell -- when she's kidnapped by the ogre -- she deliberately cuts him off so he won't save her
sobanme (4:21:29 PM): exactly.
vickychandler87 (4:22:06 PM): there was an episode in my life and I've been testing myself ever since. So, am I guilty is everyone around me do or doesn't do
sobanme (4:22:10 PM): I think she was deep scares after her attack.
sobanme (4:22:16 PM): in her soul and mind
vickychandler87 (4:22:22 PM): I don't thing I put it that right, but you get the idea
esmith591 (4:22:30 PM): She would have to have been terrified
vickychandler87 (4:22:33 PM): yes, very true
mini4many (4:22:35 PM): just swatted Mr. Mini......he said..."just like a woman....stubborn" and then had the gall to laugh
sonnetsrus123 (4:22:51 PM): they should have explored the repurcussions of her attack more, I think
esmith591 (4:23:00 PM): Indeed
timeflies3000 (4:23:12 PM): totally agree
vickychandler87 (4:23:19 PM): Well, everything she did afterword was a repercution
sobanme (4:23:23 PM): yes, that would be very interesting.
timeflies3000 (4:23:23 PM): There's so much after an attcack like that...
mini4many (4:23:23 PM): i'm suprised how well she did do after her attack......
mini4many (4:23:41 PM): they don't mention her getting counceling afterwards
timeflies3000 (4:23:58 PM): V was her counselor in many ways I suppose.
sobanme (4:24:18 PM): all along the series, they show that she does not accept anything imposed. And it's very difficult to have her change her mind.
vickychandler87 (4:24:26 PM): Right. and besides, there's a lot we just didn't see
vickychandler87 (4:24:29 PM): no time, I guess
mini4many (4:24:33 PM): not really......he didn't see her for months after he returned her Above
sobanme (4:24:37 PM): Also V had some bruises from this
sobanme (4:24:58 PM): for THAT, I think she was to blame, not for being a damsel in distress.
hrhkitty1 (4:25:05 PM): I guess we're left to assume she did.
esmith591 (4:25:19 PM): For what, sobi?
mini4many (4:25:20 PM): C did take action.....though.....she went to learn how to protect herself
sobanme (4:25:26 PM): for being so stubborn.
esmith591 (4:25:35 PM): Ah
vickychandler87 (4:25:41 PM): Right. Buthe couldn't help it and he went Above to seek her out :-D
hrhkitty1 (4:25:51 PM): thank goodness
mini4many (4:25:57 PM): 2nd that
esmith591 (4:26:02 PM): but if she were not so stubborn -- she'd have given up when Father told her to
esmith591 (4:26:07 PM): don't you think?
timeflies3000 (4:26:23 PM): Agree
sobanme (4:26:32 PM): yes, not everything is bad in her stubborness, of course.
hrhkitty1 (4:26:34 PM): true.. it's what makes the whole dynamic
vickychandler87 (4:26:37 PM): Sure! but she stood up to it and didn't give up
sobanme (4:26:55 PM): but when she brings it to the limit, for instance, of Ozymandias, it's too much.
mini4many (4:27:01 PM): her stuborness was what made her so good at her job
esmith591 (4:27:02 PM): and she's always been that way. "I should have sued you when you were five," her father says
timeflies3000 (4:27:47 PM): I love it all the way helps be a "real person"
esmith591 (4:28:00 PM): when they are arguing about getting to the office on time
timeflies3000 (4:28:02 PM): HER be a real person
esmith591 (4:28:20 PM): Characters are always more interesting with flaws
sobanme (4:28:24 PM): oh, yes, that's why all this is so fascinating.
vickychandler87 (4:28:49 PM): And she has to deal with comments like "You're not with your father's cushey firm", or "did you buy commitment with a credit card?"
sobanme (4:28:51 PM): it's fantasy, but so "ture"
vickychandler87 (4:28:54 PM): Give her a break!
vickychandler87 (4:29:11 PM): Right Sobi
sobanme (4:29:19 PM): ach - ture = true
esmith591 (4:29:35 PM): we figured
hrhkitty1 (4:29:48 PM): one gets fluent in typonese
jecris27 (4:29:52 PM): lol
esmith591 (4:29:52 PM): lol
vickychandler87 (4:30:17 PM): lol
mini4many (4:30:24 PM): i'm fluent in typonese......because i do it so often =))
hrhkitty1 (4:30:39 PM): well I was GOING to say that
hrhkitty1 (4:30:46 PM): about myself
esmith591 (4:31:10 PM): Well, I have to go see if I can't get that darn laptop back online
mini4many (4:31:12 PM): i also don't use capitals or punctuation most of the mind works faster than my fingers do
esmith591 (4:31:19 PM): If you never see me again. . . .Be well!
timeflies3000 (4:31:29 PM): bye!
vickychandler87 (4:31:36 PM): Ok Elaine, good luck!
jecris27 (4:31:37 PM): lol
mini4many (4:31:39 PM): good luck Elaine >:D<
sobanme (4:31:42 PM): ciao Elaine.
hrhkitty1 (4:31:43 PM): and the scrambled letters aren't so bad it's the words that don't makr any sense
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